Group: soc.history.war.world-war-ii
From: SENECA@argo.rhein-neckar.de
Date: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: Assassination Attempts

> >> >Several. The Stauffenberg plot was in contact with US/UK via a german
> >> >OSS agent parachuted back to Germany.
> >>
> >> Cite?
> >
> >It was Gisevius
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisevius
>
>
> Gisevius had some contacts with Allen Dulles
> in Switzerland, but Dulles of course was
> not parachuted anywhere - he operated from
> the U.S. Embassy in Zurich.

And Gisevius was propably not parachuted back from Switzerland. That
Gisevius was `parachuted back to Germany` was mentioned by a former OSS
man. I was surprised to hear it. I thought he only had meetings with
Dulles. But if this statement is true, he may well had a trip to the
UK to meet more powerfule persons there. If it was possible to keep
it secret from the SU the west had good reason to do it. They wanted
to support and press for a plot against Hitler by all means.

If the plot was successfule, it would have saved millions of lives and
some 100,000s of allied soldiers. If a ploter could say he had such
or such guaranties from Churchill or Eisenhower personaly, the whole
plot had more changes to get support. Whether such guaranties were
kept is another question, of course. But the Germans, with the Red
Army at its borders, had no much choice but to believe it. Looking
at the US/UK policy in Germany after 1945, they may even have hold
such promises in our timeline.

I think such contacts with the ploters were moraly just and could well
be explained to the western public. Why is it still poor documented?
The ploters were in Germany for a long time not seen as patriots but
as traitors. They and their families would have faced sanctions in
social life and cariere, even their grandchildren. That attitude is
not something of public policy. Any politican any time would have denied
it. But the bureaucracy of the Bonn Republic was filled with a lot of people
with such an attitude, nazi to some degree at least. They were tolerated
by US/UK because they were almost all anti-communists too.



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