sci.physics.electromag

"Benj" wrote in message
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> On Mar 11, 5:09 am, "Vince Morgan"
> wrote:
>
> > > (I'm going back to the automobile repair shop now, where things seem
> > > so much more "real" to me! Thanks again!)
> >
> > You think you've got a problem Ben. I don't even think the real
question is
> > "why", but "how". Why seems to imply motive, and math can't ascribe
that.
>
> Sure I've got a problem. I really can't see how mathematics is the
> "ultimate" reality of physical science like everyone else in the field
> (different use of the word) believes. See, even you are saying that
> math is the "ultimate" reality!

Errr, that's gotta be my poor use of the english language Ben.
I think math is a tool of measurement, and that measurement can at times
offer insight and implications. But, my grasp of math is very poor and I
would never beleive it to be more "real" that "reality". Far from it. You
should know that from previous posts. I don't value math of reality one
tiny iota.
If ever I see any any, I mean "any" diveregence from accurate physical
measurement then math looses instantly, in fact I consider any other
position a form of insanity to be honest..
>And if math can't answer "why" then
> you say "why" is not a "real" question!

Hmmm, more poore english on my part I'd say. After considering my words
more carefully I see they were poorely chosen. "Why" is to me more
philosophical than it is to most I think. I leave "why" to religion, and
"how" to science, but you gotta take my inexperience into account with here.

>But the truth is that if
> "why" (which was a term brought up by Timo and not by me) implies
> "motive" which "math can't ascribe" I'd counter with the statement
> that "why" therefore implies causes and causality is a large part of
> this discussion.
I see your point. again, consider my inexperience.
>That means that if physics can't answer "why" it
> can't answer "causality". If it can't answer causality then Jefimenko
> is a loon and all the discussions here are moot. Somehow I just can't
> accept that. I have called those beliefs "dogma".
>
> Heh, My karma ran over my dogma....
>
>
Your passion for the truth in this is truly admirable.. Truth is my
favorite subject actually, and I don't believe it's altogether subjective.
Though it can have interpretive variations I think In fact that's primarily
why I'm lurking here in the first place. I want to know too!
One thing I do know, if you keep asking you will one day know the truth.
And hopefully, if I keep lurking, I will see you find it. ;)
Regards,
Vince