sci.physics.particle

On Apr 7, 3:47=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
> On Apr 6, 4:29=A0pm, Kumar wrote:
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> > On Apr 6, 12:49=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > > On Apr 5, 10:58=A0am, Kumar wrote:
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> > > > > 'No mass no real physics
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> > > > > ATB
> > > > > Y.Porat
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> > > > I have not considered & mentioned Gravitational force(GF) by a
> > > > mystrious entity(except prime force if there). Instead of mass, I am=

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> > > there i sno force without motion and mass
> > > and collission of mass
> > > ----------> just considering motion in and of a mass/body as a creater=
/mediator of
> > > > GF.
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> > > ok that is my oppinion as well !!
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> > When we say GF is dependant on mass & distance, can't be incomplete in
> > view GF can also be dependant on density(volume & mass)? As such,
> > should volume of mass also be not relevant?
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> in short distances it is relevant
> but not for =A0very distant masses
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> =A0If we consider motion is> related to GF, whether particles in denser su=
nstance
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> (substances ??)
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> =A0will not have
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> > lower freedom of motion?
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> we are not talking about motion* inside *
> mass A and B
> we are talking about 'gravitons' (or circlons)
> that move outside =A0A and B =A0'
How these are outside of both A and B?
> so for very big distances the size of A and B
> is nealy a 'point '
> ie no muchdifference id =A0'big point'
> or a small 'point '
> mass is what counts =A0(relevant )there
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> > Pls tell me more about collission related to force.
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> lest make it very simple
> can you thing about force exerting without any colission
> of masses??
> i dont accept mysterious virtual particles
> 'without mass' !!
> because for me virtual particles is
> virtual physics invented on the table
> of a mathematician who considers himself a physicist
> virtuall particles migh t =A0 work only by some
> **fiddling in** experimental data to =A0*add hock *invented formulas
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> ATB
> Y.Porat
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> > > =A0Mass may also be dependant on motion. Say for example, if we tie a
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> > > > mass/object to a string at one end and a weighing scale on other end=

> > > > and if we rotate. Weighing scale will so progressive increase in
> > > > weight =A0of that Mass . If we leave it, it will fall quickly on ear=
th
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> > > i am not sure i understood your example
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> > > but please note
> > > if you exsrt force by changing the innitial position
> > > of the system
> > > you exerted force
> > > the same as if you accelerate the mass
> > > and while aceleration the mass the force needed is bigger
> > > not the mass becoming bigger
> > > it is not
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> > > F =3D gamma m a^2
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> > > it is
> > > F/gamma =A0=3D ma^2 (mremeins constant )!
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> > Means, GF can also be infuluenced by external forces.
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> > > ------------> that if we just through it. Do all these don't indicate =
that
> > > > gravitational force can be dependant on motion & motion can also be
> > > > dependant on other fundamental forces.
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> > > ------------
> > > motioncan be eternal without any force involved
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> > > > For me, there may not be anything hidden, mysterious or supernatural=
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> > > > but it can be yet unknown in science.-
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> > > i agree withthat
> > > yet =A0my suggestion is the 'Circlon '(:-)
> > =A0Circlon?
> > > ATB
> > > Y.Porat
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