sci.physics.particle

On Apr 6, 4:29=A0pm, Kumar wrote:
> On Apr 6, 12:49=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > > > 'No mass no real physics
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> > > I have not considered & mentioned Gravitational force(GF) by a
> > > mystrious entity(except prime force if there). Instead of mass, I am
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> > there i sno force without motion and mass
> > and collission of mass
> > ----------> just considering motion in and of a mass/body as a creater/m=
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> > > GF.
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> > ok that is my oppinion as well !!
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> When we say GF is dependant on mass & distance, can't be incomplete in
> view GF can also be dependant on density(volume & mass)? As such,
> should volume of mass also be not relevant?
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in short distances it is relevant
but not for very distant masses
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If we consider motion is
> related to GF, whether particles in denser sunstance
(substances ??)

will not have
> lower freedom of motion?

we are not talking about motion* inside *
mass A and B
we are talking about 'gravitons' (or circlons)
that move outside A and B '

so for very big distances the size of A and B
is nealy a 'point '
ie no muchdifference id 'big point'
or a small 'point '
mass is what counts (relevant )there
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> Pls tell me more about collission related to force.

lest make it very simple
can you thing about force exerting without any colission
of masses??
i dont accept mysterious virtual particles
'without mass' !!
because for me virtual particles is
virtual physics invented on the table
of a mathematician who considers himself a physicist
virtuall particles migh t work only by some
**fiddling in** experimental data to *add hock *invented formulas

ATB
Y.Porat
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> > =A0Mass may also be dependant on motion. Say for example, if we tie a
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> > > mass/object to a string at one end and a weighing scale on other end
> > > and if we rotate. Weighing scale will so progressive increase in
> > > weight =A0of that Mass . If we leave it, it will fall quickly on earth=

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> > i am not sure i understood your example
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> > but please note
> > if you exsrt force by changing the innitial position
> > of the system
> > you exerted force
> > the same as if you accelerate the mass
> > and while aceleration the mass the force needed is bigger
> > not the mass becoming bigger
> > it is not
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> > F =3D gamma m a^2
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> > it is
> > F/gamma =A0=3D ma^2 (mremeins constant )!
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> Means, GF can also be infuluenced by external forces.
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> > ------------> that if we just through it. Do all these don't indicate th=
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> > > gravitational force can be dependant on motion & motion can also be
> > > dependant on other fundamental forces.
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> > motioncan be eternal without any force involved
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> > > For me, there may not be anything hidden, mysterious or supernatural,
> > > but it can be yet unknown in science.-
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> > i agree withthat
> > yet =A0my suggestion is the 'Circlon '(:-)
> =A0Circlon?
> > ATB
> > Y.Porat
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