sci.physics.particle

On Apr 4, 2:13=A0pm, Kumar wrote:
> On Apr 4, 3:46=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > On Apr 4, 1:23=A0pm, Kumar wrote:
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> > > On Apr 4, 2:35=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > > > On Apr 4, 10:38=A0am, Kumar wrote:
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> > > > > On Apr 3, 12:22=A0pm, "Y.Porat" wrote:
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> > > > > > gravity is even while mass A and B do not move
> > > > > > mutually
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> > > > > > ATB
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> > > > > Still things within mass move. Instead of mass or alongwith mass, =
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> > > > > we consider "inter & intra-particle/substance" motions as a mediat=
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> > > > indeed even if big mass A and B are even not in relative motion
> > > > thee still inside movement of subparticles of A and B
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> > > > but the point is that
> > > > **there must be messengers that ;fountain **outside*
> > > > of those masses A and B
> > > > so it is those messengers that do the job
> > > > the inner motion can be only
> > > > *an indirect* cause for those messengers
> > > > to burst outwards
> > > > (that is how i personally see it
> > > > i dont have a direct line to God =A0(:-))
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> > > Whatever be the motion, whether inside or outside, can it be motion
> > > which create/interpret as gravitational force(GF)?
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> > any force is created by collision of particles or subaprticles
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> > if two cars run side by side
> > there is no force =A0between them
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> > that is what you can see or senseor not sense =A0in your steering weel
> > while gravitation is wayes weaker force
> > may orders of mgnitude weaker than say EM firce
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> > the fact that we a re attracted sostringly to earth
> > is not because the gravitation is a stron force
> > betwwen small masses as i and you are
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> > a force between us and the huge mass of earth !!
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> > yet we cannot see those messengers'gravitins )
> > =A0that go it
> > but we strongly guess they are there
> > not passive and not static but runnibg lkie mad
> > back anc forth
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> > may be tell =A0 =A0me what is in your mind?
> > iw were do you stricde to (or row to )??
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> > Otherwise, how GF
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> > > is created?
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> Simply, can't that force be somewhat centripetal force due to the
> motion in and of all masses(at micro & macroscopic levels)?
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> In F=3DG. M1M2/r2 or in F=3DG.Mm/r2...can we consider M or m as
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let me tell you that i am the last one on that planet
that is ready to substitute mass by anything
fo rme
**no mass - no eal physics **!!!

fo rme it is
kilogram meter second -- is physics
you have to consder that
a centripetal force is not dome by some mysterious
basic entities
it is done by more **basic* physical entities like
mass movement
fo rme energy is mass in movement
it is not ghosts in movement
and forces are created only by mass collissions
not by spititualistic ghosts behavious
in shorty:

'No mass no real physics

isnt that not simple ??
why look for vague complicated systems ??
(thoug i am noty in principle against creative
innovative ideas ...but it must be somehow convinsive .)

ATB
Y.Porat
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