humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

> > Elizabeth wrote:
>>>
>>> The other thing I give to the Strats is the magnificent culture
>>> they've created around the Shakespeare works. I doubt that
>>> would have been possible had Francis, Lord Verulum been
>>> established as the author.
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> Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> >
> > I doubt that would have been possible had Francis,
> > Lord Verulum not obscured the fact that his cousin
> > Edward de Vere was the author.
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Elizabeth wrote:
>
> You'll have to produce evidence to support that
> fantasy, Art.
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"Reader, looke, Not on his Picture, but *HIS BOOKE* "
http://ise.uvic.ca/Library/facsimile/book/SLNSW_F1/
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[=34] Cecil Papers 88/101 (bifolium, 232mm x 170mm),
Oxford to [Robert] Cecil; 7 October 1601 (W337;F593).
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My very good Brother,
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.... I am aduised, that I may passe *MY BOOKE* from her
Magestie, yf a warrant may be procured to my cosen Bacon
and Seriant [=Sergeant] *HARRIS* to *PERFET [=PERFECT] yt* .
Whiche beinge doone, I know to whome formallye to thanke,
but reallye they shalbe, and are from me, and myne,
*to be sealed vp in an AETERNALL REMEMBRANCE to yowre selfe*
And thus *WISHINGE ALL HAPPINES* to yow....
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7th of October from my House at Hakney. 1601.
Yowre most assured and louinge Broother.
(signed) Edward Oxenford (ital.; 4+7)
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Addressed (O): To the ryghte honorable & my very good Broother
Sir Robert Cecill on [=one] of her Magestyes pryvie Councel
and principall Secretarie giue thes at the Coorte. [seal]
Endorsed: 1601 7 October: Erle of Oxenford to my Master.
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______ *HARRIS*
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______ *SIRRAH*
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a contemptuous term of address to an inferior man or boy;
often used in anger; first used sometime before 1590.
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Elizabeth wrote:
>
> Oxford's own letters (with Looney's redactions)
> are positive proof that Oxford was incapable
> of writing the Shakespeare works.
>
> Francis, Lord Verulam, had a vocabulary
> count that exceeds that of the First Folio.
>
> Did Francis, Lord Verulam steal
> Oxford's vocabulary as well?

Probably.

> > Elizabeth wrote:
>
> > > The author was, in fact, a 'mechanical mate' but his
> > > incomparable genius for making analogies, for troping,
> > > elevates his 'labors' to the highest art.
>
> > The mason poor, that builds the lordly halls,
> > Dwells not in them, they are for high degree;
> > His cottage is compact in paper walls,
> > And not with brick or stone as others be.
>
> > The idle drone that labours not at all
> > Sucks up the sweet of honey from the bee.
> > Who worketh most, to their share least doth fall;
> > With due desert reward will never be.
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Elizabeth wrote:
>
> Art. The Countess of Pembroke was involved
> in a 'flyting' or poetomachia or 'poet's war' with
> Oxford.
>
> I would guess at least 50% of 'Oxford's verse'
> was written by her witty poets and published
> with the initials E.O..

Dems flyting words, puppy Elizabeth!
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<has been adopted by social historians from Scots usage of the
fifteenth and sixteenth century in which poetic "makars" (makaris)
would engage in public verbal contests of high-flying, extravagant
abuse; the classic written example is the Flyting of Dunbar and
Kennedie. The convention can be detected earlier in the confrontation
of Beowulf and Unferth.
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In Norse and Germanic cultures, flytings are used as either a prelude
to battle or as a form of combat in their own right. The exchange is
regular, if not ritualized, and the insults usually center on
accusations of cowardice or sexual impropriety or perversion. Several
poems of Norse Mythology contain many flytings or consist solely of
flytings, including the Eddic poem Lokasenna, wherein Loki insults the
Norse gods in the hall of Aegir, told by Snorri Sturluson.

Hilary Mackie has detected in the Iliad a consistent differentiation
between representations in Greek of Achaean and Trojan speech, where
Achaeans repeatedly engage in public, ritualized abuse: "Achaeans are
proficient at blame, while Trojans perform praise poetry" .

Flytings existed in Arabic poetry in a popular form called naqa'id.
Taunting songs are part of Inuit village culture. Flyting is similar
in both form and function to the modern African American practice of
the dozens and freestyle battles.>>
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http://web.grcc.edu/english/shakespeare/notes/warthea.html
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Elizabeth wrote:
>
> There's a record of Mary's
> fracas with Oxford over the fact that Oxford
> intervened with the printing of Sidney's Arcadia.
> That volume had ONE additional verse printed
> on the last page (when Mary finally suceeded
> in getting it printed) and it was signed with the
> initials E.O.
>
> Do you really think that Oxford, whom many
> believe murdered his arch enemy Sir Philip Sidney,
> is going to contribute a verse to a memorial to
> Sidney, the second Arcadia?

Yes.
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Elizabeth wrote:
>
> We know, in addition, that OXFORD HIRED
> POETS. There was no rule against a patron
> putting his own name on his client's verses since
> it was the 'genius' of his noble blood that inspired
> the poet.

HIRED POETS? Like Grumman? les goo...
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Wanted: Dead or Alive originally aired in Black and white on CBS.
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<gave half or all of his reward money to good causes. He was a
gentlemen and very respectful of the elderly. He was a man of few
words and seemed to lack emotion but he was adept at using his gun,
not an ordinary gun but a .44-.40 sawed-off 1892 Winchester carbine
which he had on his "Mare's Leig", BUT the cartridges in his belt
were .45-.70! His catch phrase in almost every episode was "Let's Go"
which he spoke softly and sounded more like les goo.>>
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Elizabeth wrote:
>
> the fact that Oxford assigns a
> sonnet to Gabriel Harvey (I note that Stritmatter
> agrees with me on this point) meant nothing at all
> in that era BUT IT MEANS EVERYTHING IN THE
> AUTHORSHIP DISPUTE in this era.
>
> It was perfectly customary for Oxford to ask Harvey
> to write a sonnet which Oxford would sign to give
> to his mistress Anne BUT IT ESSENTIALLY
> DISQUALIFIES OXFORD FROM THE SHAKESPEARE
> AUTHORSHIP DISPUTE, Art.
>
> Where was I?

NEVER NEVERLAND?
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Elizabeth wrote:
>
> Oh.
>
> Oxfordianism is locked into a ROMANTIC VICTORIAN
> GLOSS, it cannot go further back in time, it is uniformly
> ignorant of the period in which Oxford was born and
> lived.
>
> Oxfordian*ISM* knows nothing more than Looney
> did which is to say that Looney knew only what he
> learned from Sir Walter Scott and other romantic
> Victorians in the Neo-gothic movement. I wrote
> papers on this movement in Aesthetics. The Pre-
> Raphaelites, Ruskin, the Rossettis, especially
> William Morris who wanted to tear down every
> public building in England and rebuilt it is the
> Gothic style. (Morris did found the Arts and Crafts
> movement which produced beautiful weavings and
> wallpaper and ultimately high-priced arts and crafts
> cottages in cities in Oregon and Northern California).
>
> My point, Art, is that Looney grew up in England
> during the period of the Arts and Crafts movement
> and the extreme popularity of Sir Walter Scott.
>
> That's as far as Looney got.
>
> Looney doesn't know Oxford.
>
> The Oxfordians know Looney,
> they do not know Oxford.
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*VEER* : (Dutch) *FeATHER/QUILL* , PEN, *FOUNTAIN* , *SPRING*
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"Author of all being, FOUNTAIN of light, thyself INVISIBLE." --Milton
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St. Augustine is portrayed as a bishop BAPTIZING the king of *KENT*,
. in the black habit of the order, with a *PEN* or BOOK,
. or obtaining by prayer a *FOUNTAIN* for BAPTIZING.
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SUSAN VERE Herbert born: St. Augustine Day, 1587
SUSANna Shakespeare Hall BAPTIZED: St. Augustine Day, 1583
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I have got a sweetie known as *SUSie*
In the words of Shakespeare she's a "wow"
Though all of you may know her, too
I'd like to shout right now

*SUSie* has a *PERFET* reputation
No one EVER saw her on a spree
Nobody knows where *SUSie* goes
Nobody knows but me

If you knew *SUSie*, like I know *SUSie*
Oh! Oh! Oh! What a girl
There's none so classy
As this fair lassie
Oh! Oh! Holy Moses, what a chassis
We went riding, she didn't balk
Back from Yonkers
I'm the one that had to walk
If you knew *SUSie*, like I know *SUSie*
Oh! Oh! What a girl!
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Art Neuendorffer