humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

> > On Mar 20, 11:03 pm, Elizabeth wrote:
> > >
> > > Stratfordian chronologies, when lagged just two years,
> > > yield substantively meaningful associations between
> > > thematic content and political context, whereas Oxfordian
> > > chronologies YEILD [sic] NO RELATIONSHIPS, however lagged.
> > > Hence, ONLY the Stratfordian results are consistent with
> > > previous research indicating that artistic creativity
> > > is responsive to conspicuous political events.
>
> > > (emphasis mine).
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nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> Obviously.

YELL, v.i. To cry out, or shriek, with a hideous noise;
=2E to cry or scream as with agony or horror.
=2E
"Infernal ghosts and hellish furies round Environed thee;
=2E some howled, some YELL'D." -Milton.

> > > I would add that Strats have designed over one hundred
> > > and twenty peer-reviewed stylometric studies, each one
> > > measuring some element of the text, each one distinct
> > > from the others, all studies coming to the same conclusion:
> > > The traditional dating of the Shakespeare works based on
> > > topical material is correct, the topical evidencel in turn
> > > supoorts the scientific dating of the plays.
>
> > > I'm not claiming that Simonton's paper is sufficient to
> > > overturn Oxfordian claims to authorship but Simonton's paper
> > > confirms Stratfordian findings and Stratfordian findings
> > > confirm Simonton's conclusions.
>
> > > Now that the Oxfordians have managed to get the Oxford-
> > > ian case into academia, the Oxfordians are going to come
> > > up against more than mere literary criticism, they're going
> > > to be exposed to a thorough scientific critique. I don't doubt
> > > that Don Foster will jump into it and Vickers right after.
>
> > >
> > >
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> Tom Reedy wrote:
> >
> > You are laboring under a delusion.
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nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> Correction: Elizabeth is laboring under a plethora of delusions;
> indeed, this one is among the most innocuous of the lot.
=2E
> Tom Reedy wrote:
> >
> > All the evidence in the world would not convince an Oxfordian that
> > Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare, because their belief does not rest on
> > historical or logical premises.
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nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> ...just as all the scientific evidence and mathematical proof in
> the world does not convince science cranks like Elizabeth that their
> angle trisection algorithms, "refutations" of relativity, etc. are
> incorrect, because their belief does not rest upon empirical or
> logical premises, but rather upon _a priori_ ideological biases.
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> Tom Reedy wrote:
> >
> > In fact, it is based on no evidence whatsoever.
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nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> ...apart from invented "evidence," some of which is exceedingly
> amusing.
--------------=AD=AD-------------=AD---------------=AD-=AD---------
13 people were burned at the stake on June 27, 1556
at STRATFORD atte Bowe [in London]. One of them:
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_ "John Routh said, that he was convented
_ before the [16th] earle of Oxford,
_ and by him sent to the Castle of Colchester:"
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____ STRATFORD upon Avon
________ Guild Chapel
_______ white-WASHING
_______ CHAMBERLAIN
________ ALDERMAN/Bailiff
_________________________ /----------------------\
______________ John ----- MARY MARgerY Webbe
_____ [wrote his 'marke'] | [wrote her 'marke']__[d. St.Adrian's]
__[bur. St.Adrian's Day]- | [d. St.Adrian's Day]
_________________ |
_______ /---------------\ ___________ [illiterate]
=2E MARgerY Shakspere ------------ Anne
_______________ | [b. 1556]
_ [BROOK House] __ | [only son,
___ [Shaxpere's Boys] | b.1584, dies]
___- [Shaxpere Gloves] |
___- [ *TANNERY* ] |
__ [TINer of AVERland] __ |
_ [Cervantes' "lame hand" ] |
___ [W. Smith : mentor] |
|||||| [Catholic Relatives persecuted] |
____ [Thomas Trussell] |
_ [Sweet Swan of Avon] |
___ [By ME : WIL(cu)L] __ |
____- [Bend Spear crest] |
_______- [Golding's 'OVID'] |
__ [Camden's: 'pregnant witt'] |
______ [Qu. of Scots Trial] |
___ [Yoricke's Scounce] |
___ ["Gentleman" poet] |
_ [NESTOR reference] |
|||||||||| [MERMAID tAVERn] __ |
_ ['For TRUTH is TRUTH'] |
_____- [Paul's 'I am that I am'] |
|||||| [Hamlet's 'To Be or not To Be'] |
|||||||||| [stole from Raphael Holinshed] |
- [1586 deer park poacher] |
||||||||||||||||| [pinch-FART penny-FATheR] |
||||||||||||||||| [1616 Faust/FAMA Frat. death] |
|||||||||||||||||| [John Manningham's 1602 diary] |
_-- [=A31,000/year for 18 years] |
_ [- Item, =A310 unto the poore ] |
| [ARD(en) plot/tower/exec.]__ |
------___ [7 Year exile for indiscretion] |
||||||| [Stephen Bellott dowry: =A3200] |
||||||| [Hothead Gastrell: Esdras 6:9] |
||||||||||||||||||| [Anne Cornwaleys book 1588?] |
|||||||||||||| [not a *COMPANY* keeper ] |
|||||||||| [Richard Field recognized 1593] |
||||||||||||||||| [Meres' Top 10 in comedy 1598] |
|||||||||||||||||||[Baroness Elizabeth of Abbingdon] |
|||||||||||||||||||[drunken B.Knell suicide attack] |
___________________ |
|||||||||||||||| [falcon w./spear in dexter CLAW] |
_____ [ Henry Evans > ____ |
|||| 1608 Lessor of Blackfriars Th.] |
||||||||||||||||| dies unnoticed / tomb unmarked |
||||| Church Burial Record "X"ed |
___________________ |
______ Hall M.D. -------- SVSANna
|||||||| [d. on Lope de Vega's 73rd birthday [b.May 26, 1583]
_ 3 mo. after Lope dies] ____ [could write name]
______________________________________
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_____ STRATFORD atte Bowe
________ Pontius Pilate
______ hand-WASHING
___ GREAT CHAMBERLAIN
_____ EALDORMAN/Bailiff
_______ John ----------- MARgerY
________ |
___ /-----------\ ___ m. on OPALIA [Sonneteer]
=2E MARY Oxford --------------- Anne
________________ | [b. 1556]
- [BROOKE House] __ |[only son dies
_______ [Oxford's Boys] | b.May 1583]
_______- [Oxford Gloves] |
_______- [ *STANNARY* ] |
__ [TINner of VEREland] __ |
_ [Cervantes' "lame hand" ] |
______ [T. Smith : mentor] |
|||| [Catholic Relatives persecuted] |
_____ [Thomas Trussell] |
___ [Sweet Oxford/Ned] |
___ [yb NV : DRO(fx)O] __ |
______- [bent Spear crest] |
_______ [Golding's 'OVID'] |
__ [Golding's 'pregnancy of wit'] |
______ [Qu. of Scots Trial] |
__- [Yorke's Scounces] |
___ ["Gentleman" poet] |
- [NESTOR reference] |
|||||||||||| [MERMAID grand-dam] |
=2E ['For TRUTH is TRUTH'] |
______ [Paul's 'I am that I am'] |
- [Hamlet's 'v=E6re eller ikke v=E6re'] |
|||||||||| [judged by Raphael Holinshed] |
_ [1604 deer park warden] |
|||||||| [bend-FART quenny-forgetter] |
|||||||||||||||[1604 Faust/FAMA Frat. death] |
|||||||||||||| [John Manningham's 1602 diary] |
___ [=A31,000/year for 18 years] |
__ [- Item, =A310 unto a Beggar ] |
|| [(how)ARD plot/tower/exec.] |
____- [7 Year exile for indiscretion] |
||||||| [Thomas Bellott dowry: =A32,000] |
|| [Hothead Gastrell: Esdras 6:9] |
|||||||||| [Anne Cornwaleys book 1588?] ||| |
||||||||| [denouncing aye the *Company* ] ||||| |
|| [Richard Field recognized 1589] ||| |
||||||||| [Meres' Top 10 in comedy 1598] ||| |
|||||||| [Baroness Elizabeth of Abingdon] ||| |
|| [drunken B-Knell suicide attack] || |
_____________________ |
||||||||||[lion w./broken lance in dexter PAW]|| |
________ [ Henry Evans > |
_ 1583 Lessor of Blackfriars Th.] |
|||||||||||| dies unnoticed / tomb unmarked |
- Church Burial Record "X"ed ___ |
_____________________ |
_________ Herbert (Philip) ----- SVSAN
||||| [b. St. LONGINUS day] [b. May 26]
_______________________________________________
"I admit that some of them are not VERy important . . .
=2E but look at *the NUMBER of* them"
=2E - Sam Spade ( Maltese FALCON)
=2E
Sam Diamond: You pit your wits with me, little man,
and you won't have your wits to pit with, know what I mean?
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> Tom Reedy wrote:
> >
> > The belief in Oxford fulfills some type of psychological need
> > or wish fantasy, so it's not subject to logical or historical
> > or any type of evidence in the conventional sense of the word.
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nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> ...just as Elizabeth's belief in the failure of special relativity
> is based upon no evidence whatever, fulfilling instead some sort of
> bizarre ideological fantasy not subject to logical or empirical
> evidence.

Elizabeth wrote: I'm NOT an anti-Strat.
> Politically, I'm aligned with the Strats.

> Tom Reedy wrote:
> >
> > The danger in Oxfordism or any kind of antiStratfordism is not
> > that any of the ideas is going to take the place
> > of the conventional Shakespeare scholarship;
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nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> ...just as there is no danger that Elizabeth's crank pseudo-science
> is going to take the place of conventional relativistic kinematics.
=2E
> Tom Reedy wrote:
> >
> > the only real danger is that it promotes
> > sloppy and unsound thinking.

Well, you and Dwebb don't HAVE TO respond.

> > (Of course there is all that wasted life,
> > too, but the believers, like delusionists or addicts of all kinds,
> > don't really seem to mind. It does, after all,
> > give them something to do.)
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nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> Very well put.
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Put, n. A rustic; a clown; an awkward or uncouth person.
=2E..........[See Shaksper]
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Art Neuendorffer