humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

On Feb 13, 11:42=EF=BF=BDam, Lyra wrote:
> On Feb 12, 2:23 pm, Elizabeth wrote:
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> > On Feb 12, 1:54 am, "Paul Crowley"
> > =EF=BF=BDwrote:
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> > > "Elizabeth" wrote in message
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> > Bacon had a very low opinion of his
> > Uncle Polonius. =EF=BF=BDI think it's fair to say
> > Bacon despised him and with good reason.
> > Bacon had access to his papers.
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> Ah! I've a very low opinion of him, too.
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> > Bacon also spied for the Bacon family patron,
> > Sir Francis Walsingham and for that reason
> > Bacon knew a great deal about what the Cecils
> > were up to.They were taking huge amounts
> > of money from England's enemies (see Britannica
> > which goes into the details of the Cecil income from
> > Spain, Genoa, etc).
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> > The Queen settled that one and that is on
> > the record. =EF=BF=BDShe called Sidney in, told him that
> > he should have ceded the tennis court to Oxford
> > because of Oxford's superior rank, she evicted
> > Sidney from Court and locked Oxford in his apartments
> > for a week as he had gone of his head ranting that
> > he was going to kill Sidney.
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> > > Osric has the character of a mindless
> > > and conceited courtier.
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> Conceited? Just like Sidney.
> I can't bear any eulogising of Sidney, his sister, or
> Burghley.
> May the truth come out.

MM:
Don't forget William and Philip Herbert. They were dedicated the
First Folio. Would you like to comment on them, Lyra?

Michael Martin

> > When the Queen was about to deliver she
> > would leave London and go to some country
> > house. =EF=BF=BDWhenever she left London on a 'progress'
> > Londoners would say, 'there she goes to deliver
> > again.' =EF=BF=BDThe Queen was human, Crowley, she
> > fell in love, she had lovers, she had children,
> > of those living (the infant mortality rate was
> > terrible then) she was said to have two sons
> > and two daughters. =EF=BF=BD I don't know if Bacon and
> > Oxford were half-brothers but there are two
> > fairly complete sets of records that indicate it was
> > possible; the testimony of three hundred witnesses
> > in the Seymour inquests and the London and
> > Madrid documents located by 19th c. Baconian
> > aristocrats.
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> > Short of dna samples we're never going to know
> > for sure.
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> I wonder if the descendants of Susan de Vere
> may one day offer to have a DNA check.
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> > We don't know where either were buried,
> > I assume that the Catholic Oxford was buried at
> > sea to avoid being planted in heretical Anglican
> > ground, there was no ceremony in Hackney, no
> > one noted Oxford's passing.
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> > Bacon either didn't die in 1626 -- I suspect he and
> > Arundel went to Italy instead, Buckingham had cheated
> > the both of them -- the King gave his 'darling wife' Bacon's
> > house in which to hang Arundel's famous collection of
> > Renaissance paintings. =EF=BF=BDThe Arundel Marbles went
> > to Bacon's garden that sloped down to the Thames.
> > in Bacon's back garden. =EF=BF=BDDesigned by Bacon himself.
> > Both Arundel and Bacon were disheartened by James I's
> > gift to Buckingham of the finest house in London in which
> > to hang the finest collection of paintings in Europe, Not
> > long after Buckingham would be stabbed by an
> > assassination. =EF=BF=BD(I hope Arundel and Bacon didn't
> > hire him).
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> > So guess where Bacon 'died.' =EF=BF=BDIn Arundel's house.
> > Bacon's crypt was opened two years after the funeral
> > to slide the Mayor of St. Albans into =EF=BF=BDthe next slot but
> > Bacon's body wasn't there.
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> > The whole thing smacks of a literary account, the
> > frozen hen is straight out of the death of Archimedes
> > and Bacon died (or not) in the arms of his nephew
> > Sir Julius Caesar. =EF=BF=BDJulius Caesar was Bacon's favorite
> > historical figure. =EF=BF=BDI think the two friends just took off for
> > Sicily.
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> > Bacon loved Sicily and his mother once wrote a letter
> > to her sister saying 'Bacon better be in Kent, if he went
> > to Sicily I will kill him.'
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