humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

On Feb 20, 5:14=A0pm, Elizabeth wrote:
> On Feb 20, 10:51 am, Art Neuendorffer
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> > > > =A0Elizabeth wrote:
> > > > > ____________________________________________
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> > > > > The author of A True Declaration uses the address
> > > > > 'Excellent Lady.'
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> > > > > I thought that Purchas might have scribbled it in
> > > > > but in fact Bacon used the address 'Excellent
> > > > > Lady' when he corresponded with Elizabeth
> > > > > Stuart (the 'Winter Queen'). =A0He also writes to
> > > > > Buckingham to give some assistance to the
> > > > > 'Excellent lady,' Elizabeth Stuart, who lost
> > > > > her kingdom in Bohemia and was living in the
> > > > > Netherlands.
>
> > > > > Bacon wrote the Historie of the Raigne of
> > > > > King Henrie VII for the Stuart children, he and
> > > > > Elizabeth Stuart kept up a fond correspond-
> > > > > ence. =A0She was a beauty when young and
> > > > > still lovely when she was painted at age 48 in
> > > > > this portrait:
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> > > > > =

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> > > > > =A0 =A0We know that he enjoyed the disinterested
> > > > > =A0 =A0friendship and favour, as well as the admiration,
> > > > > =A0 =A0of James's daughter, that 'good, sweet, devout
> > > > > =A0 =A0princess,' whose beauty as a girl had touched
> > > > > =A0 =A0him and whose fall he grieved for, as she did
> > > > > =A0 =A0for his. He urged Buckingham to do all he
> > > > > =A0 =A0could for 'that excellent Lady' . . . .
>
> > > > > =A0 =A0Matthew, Vickers & Sams in 'History of A
> > > > > =A0 =A0Character Assassination.'
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> > > > > So I want to see some 'Excellent Ladies'
> > > > > from Art on behalf of Oxford.
> > .
> > > Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> > > >http://www.lynnekositsky.com/
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> > .
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> > Elizabeth wrote:
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> > > Lynne is excellent and definitely a lady but
> > > she's not four hundred years old, Art.
>
> > Then you must mean:
> > Mary Sidney Herbert, Countess of Pembroke
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> I didn't say that Bacon limited his use of
> 'Excellent Lady' to the Queen of Bohemia
> in exile, I said that Bacon used 'Excellent
> Lady.'
>
> Now what you have to do, Art, is show
> that . . . never mind, =A0you correctly believe
> that Bacon wrote A True Repertory and I,
> Art, will prove you right.
>
> > ---------------------------------
> > *EXCELLENT* : =A0*REE-VIE* (Manx)
> > --------------------------------------------
> > . =A0 The Two Gentlemen of VEROna =A0Act 2, Scene 1
> > .
> > SPEED: =A0He being her pupil, to become her tutor.
> > . O *EXCELLENT DEVice* ! was there EVER heard a better,
> > . =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0That my master, being scribe,
> > . =A0 =A0 =A0to himself should write the letter?
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> EXCELLENT DEVice?
>
> You should be blushing Art.
>
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Much Ado About Nothing =A0Act 2, Scene 3
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> > DON PEDRO: She's an *EXCELLENT SWEET LADY* ;
> > . =A0 =A0 =A0and, out of all suspicion, she is virtuous.
>
> Art. =A0I proved that Bacon (YOUR AUTHOR)
> used the address 'Excellent Lady.'
>
> Now, Art, you have to
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0SHOW
>
> that Oxford used 'Excellent lady' or a point will
> be subtracted from the
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 LOONEY TALLEY
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> bringing the total to -0.
>
> I've come to see that it's not about the historical
> Oxford -- he has been revisionized up the bum --
> it's about Looney. =A0The Strats should set immedi-
> ately set about rehabilitating the historical Oxford.
>
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > . =A0 =A0 =A0Twelfth Night Act 3, Scene 1
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> > VIOLA: =A0[Enter OLIVIA and MARIA]
> > .
> > . =A0 =A0 Most *EXCELLENT accomplished LADY* ,
> > . =A0 =A0 =A0the heavens rain odours on you!
> > ------------------------------------------------------------http://www.e=
nglish.cam.ac.uk/wroth/biography.htm
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> Art. =A0The Countess of Pembroke and Lady Mary Wroth
> were Bacon's cousins. =A0The latter is a candidate for the
> Dark Lady at Court.
>
> One of the problems for Oxfordianism is that a happily
> married Oxford (albeit with terminal syphilis) is supposed
> to be hopping in and out of the beds of Dark Ladies at
> Court when he is, in fact, at home in his bed dying.
>
> The Oxfordians cannot move the Sonnets to the
> 1580s or whatever because we know the identities
> of the Rival Poets. =A0We know this because they
> wrote (in the late 1590s) 'response sonnets' that
> fit together with Our Poet's like (triteness alert)
> pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. =A0I would demonstrate
> this but Strats apparently hacked the Lady Mary
> Wroth website and took the matches down. =A0I may
> have saved some, I'll search.
>
> We know that the Fair Youth from the Sonnets is
> also the Poet's rival in love but Jonson tells us point
> blank in his Dedication to the Epigrammes that
> the Fair Youth is William Herbert. =A0A transparent
> and unmistakeable proof that has been discovered
> over and over but dropped over and over because
> it doesn't help the STrats.
>
> The point here is that Master William Herbert would
> deck the little earl if he tried to make moves on him.
> I doubt Oxford would be attracted to William Herbert,
> a gangly lad, in any event.
>
> Given an unperverse reading (if this is possible in
> the sex and incest obsessed world of Shakespeare
> criticism) the Fair Youth sonnets are written from
> father to son. =A0They've only met two years before,
> the father is encouraging his son to wed (because
> his cousin Mary has asked him to do so) and
> paternal advice continues on until Sonnet 124.
>
> > Lady Mary Wroth is best known today as the first English woman
> > writer to have published an original work of prose fiction.
>
> Art. =A0Come to grips with the fact that the Sidney-
> Herberts despised Oxford. =A0Lady Mary would
> drink eale before she would slip into his bed,
> poet or not (not).
>
> Oxford was four foot something,
> he only got his way because he held the most
> illustrious noble title in England. This elevated
> title is how one hundred and eighty-five London
> merchants came to loan Oxford one hundred
> and twenty-thousand pounds in credit and never
> got a pence of it back.
>
> The Cecils did the same thing but it does show
> that no one could say no to the incomparable
> Oxford title (the Cecils at least held down jobs).
>
> The Sidneys, like many historians on Google
> Books not to speak of the author of Hamlet,
> believed that Oxford murdered Sidney and
> according to some historical accounts, Oxford
> did publicly state that he was going to murder
> Sidney.
>
> The record supports that theory
> although the English Roman Catholic Counter-
> Reformation (of three, Arundel, Howard
> and Oxford) issued a pamphlet, probably
> not legally, that charged that Leicester had
> poisoned his nephew Philip Sidney. Leicester
> was certainly capable of murder and he was
> said to favor poison but Leicester had no
> motivation to murder Sidney.
>
> There's no way to make a circumstantial
> case unless motivation can be demonstrated.
>
> > For her
> > contemporaries, however, her primary identity was as a member of the
> > illustrious SIDNEY family. As the elaborately decorated title-page
> > of her book announced to the world in 1621, she was, after all,
> > "Daughter to the right Noble Robert Earl of Leicester, and Niece
> > . to the EVER famous, and renowned Sir Philip Sidney knight,
> > . and to the most *EXCELLENT LADY* Mary Countess of Pembroke."
>
> I know a lot about Lady Mary Wroth, she
> received what Vendler calls the 'response
> sonnets' in the flyting that went on at Court
> between the Rival Poets. =A0I tried to get
> Groves to look into it and write a paper on
> it. =A0It's a sound theory, but I am, as I
> am continually reminded in HLAS, no writer.
> No, I am not bothered by this criticism,
> dyslexics never get lost in the literary 'woods.'
> We are 'mappers.' (I mean, would you
> want to think like you-know-who),
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > . =A0http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/thenot.htm
> > .
> > A Dialogue between two shepherds, Thenot and Piers,
> > in praise of ASTREA, made by the *EXCELLENT LADY* ,
> > the Lady Mary Countess of Pembroke at the Queen's
> > Majesty's being at her house at ???, Anno 15???.
>
> So what, Art.
>
> We want to see something from Oxford's
> own texts.
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------http://faculty=
.goucher.edu/eng=AD211/mary_herbert_6th_edition.h=ADtm
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> > John Webster's _The Duchess of Malfi_ Act V Scene II
>
> I've read the Duchess of Malfi and Oxford
> did not write it so there's no point in lifting
> words from it. =A0If you haven't read it I can
> tell you that the author had the same IQ as
> the author of the Shakespeare works. =A0It's
> an incredible play, some serious work should
> be done on it to identify the author.- Hide quoted text -
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The author's style is nothing like Shakespeare's. The play is most
likely by Webster, although I have heard at least one person at one of
our conferences suggesting he could be a front for Mary Sidney. Hm.