humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

On Feb 20, 10:51 am, Art Neuendorffer
wrote:
> > > Elizabeth wrote:
> > > > ____________________________________________
>
> > > > The author of A True Declaration uses the address
> > > > 'Excellent Lady.'
>
> > > > I thought that Purchas might have scribbled it in
> > > > but in fact Bacon used the address 'Excellent
> > > > Lady' when he corresponded with Elizabeth
> > > > Stuart (the 'Winter Queen'). He also writes to
> > > > Buckingham to give some assistance to the
> > > > 'Excellent lady,' Elizabeth Stuart, who lost
> > > > her kingdom in Bohemia and was living in the
> > > > Netherlands.
>
> > > > Bacon wrote the Historie of the Raigne of
> > > > King Henrie VII for the Stuart children, he and
> > > > Elizabeth Stuart kept up a fond correspond-
> > > > ence. She was a beauty when young and
> > > > still lovely when she was painted at age 48 in
> > > > this portrait:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > We know that he enjoyed the disinterested
> > > > friendship and favour, as well as the admiration,
> > > > of James's daughter, that 'good, sweet, devout
> > > > princess,' whose beauty as a girl had touched
> > > > him and whose fall he grieved for, as she did
> > > > for his. He urged Buckingham to do all he
> > > > could for 'that excellent Lady' . . . .
>
> > > > Matthew, Vickers & Sams in 'History of A
> > > > Character Assassination.'
>
> > > > So I want to see some 'Excellent Ladies'
> > > > from Art on behalf of Oxford.
> .
> > Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> > >http://www.lynnekositsky.com/
>
> .
>
> Elizabeth wrote:
>
> > Lynne is excellent and definitely a lady but
> > she's not four hundred years old, Art.
>
> Then you must mean:
> Mary Sidney Herbert, Countess of Pembroke

I didn't say that Bacon limited his use of
'Excellent Lady' to the Queen of Bohemia
in exile, I said that Bacon used 'Excellent
Lady.'

Now what you have to do, Art, is show
that . . . never mind, you correctly believe
that Bacon wrote A True Repertory and I,
Art, will prove you right.

> ---------------------------------
> *EXCELLENT* : *REE-VIE* (Manx)
> --------------------------------------------
> . The Two Gentlemen of VEROna Act 2, Scene 1
> .
> SPEED: He being her pupil, to become her tutor.
> . O *EXCELLENT DEVice* ! was there EVER heard a better,
> . That my master, being scribe,
> . to himself should write the letter?

EXCELLENT DEVice?

You should be blushing Art.

> --------------------------------------------
> Much Ado About Nothing Act 2, Scene 3
>
> DON PEDRO: She's an *EXCELLENT SWEET LADY* ;
> . and, out of all suspicion, she is virtuous.

Art. I proved that Bacon (YOUR AUTHOR)
used the address 'Excellent Lady.'

Now, Art, you have to

SHOW

that Oxford used 'Excellent lady' or a point will
be subtracted from the

LOONEY TALLEY

bringing the total to -0.

I've come to see that it's not about the historical
Oxford -- he has been revisionized up the bum --
it's about Looney. The Strats should set immedi-
ately set about rehabilitating the historical Oxford.

> -----------------------------------------------
> . Twelfth Night Act 3, Scene 1
>
> VIOLA: [Enter OLIVIA and MARIA]
> .
> . Most *EXCELLENT accomplished LADY* ,
> . the heavens rain odours on you!
> ------------------------------------------------------------http://www.eng=
lish.cam.ac.uk/wroth/biography.htm


Art. The Countess of Pembroke and Lady Mary Wroth
were Bacon's cousins. The latter is a candidate for the
Dark Lady at Court.

One of the problems for Oxfordianism is that a happily
married Oxford (albeit with terminal syphilis) is supposed
to be hopping in and out of the beds of Dark Ladies at
Court when he is, in fact, at home in his bed dying.

The Oxfordians cannot move the Sonnets to the
1580s or whatever because we know the identities
of the Rival Poets. We know this because they
wrote (in the late 1590s) 'response sonnets' that
fit together with Our Poet's like (triteness alert)
pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. I would demonstrate
this but Strats apparently hacked the Lady Mary
Wroth website and took the matches down. I may
have saved some, I'll search.

We know that the Fair Youth from the Sonnets is
also the Poet's rival in love but Jonson tells us point
blank in his Dedication to the Epigrammes that
the Fair Youth is William Herbert. A transparent
and unmistakeable proof that has been discovered
over and over but dropped over and over because
it doesn't help the STrats.

The point here is that Master William Herbert would
deck the little earl if he tried to make moves on him.
I doubt Oxford would be attracted to William Herbert,
a gangly lad, in any event.

Given an unperverse reading (if this is possible in
the sex and incest obsessed world of Shakespeare
criticism) the Fair Youth sonnets are written from
father to son. They've only met two years before,
the father is encouraging his son to wed (because
his cousin Mary has asked him to do so) and
paternal advice continues on until Sonnet 124.


> Lady Mary Wroth is best known today as the first English woman
> writer to have published an original work of prose fiction.

Art. Come to grips with the fact that the Sidney-
Herberts despised Oxford. Lady Mary would
drink eale before she would slip into his bed,
poet or not (not).

Oxford was four foot something,
he only got his way because he held the most
illustrious noble title in England. This elevated
title is how one hundred and eighty-five London
merchants came to loan Oxford one hundred
and twenty-thousand pounds in credit and never
got a pence of it back.

The Cecils did the same thing but it does show
that no one could say no to the incomparable
Oxford title (the Cecils at least held down jobs).

The Sidneys, like many historians on Google
Books not to speak of the author of Hamlet,
believed that Oxford murdered Sidney and
according to some historical accounts, Oxford
did publicly state that he was going to murder
Sidney.

The record supports that theory
although the English Roman Catholic Counter-
Reformation (of three, Arundel, Howard
and Oxford) issued a pamphlet, probably
not legally, that charged that Leicester had
poisoned his nephew Philip Sidney. Leicester
was certainly capable of murder and he was
said to favor poison but Leicester had no
motivation to murder Sidney.

There's no way to make a circumstantial
case unless motivation can be demonstrated.

> For her
> contemporaries, however, her primary identity was as a member of the
> illustrious SIDNEY family. As the elaborately decorated title-page
> of her book announced to the world in 1621, she was, after all,
> "Daughter to the right Noble Robert Earl of Leicester, and Niece
> . to the EVER famous, and renowned Sir Philip Sidney knight,
> . and to the most *EXCELLENT LADY* Mary Countess of Pembroke."

I know a lot about Lady Mary Wroth, she
received what Vendler calls the 'response
sonnets' in the flyting that went on at Court
between the Rival Poets. I tried to get
Groves to look into it and write a paper on
it. It's a sound theory, but I am, as I
am continually reminded in HLAS, no writer.
No, I am not bothered by this criticism,
dyslexics never get lost in the literary 'woods.'
We are 'mappers.' (I mean, would you
want to think like you-know-who),

> ----------------------------------------------------------
> . http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/thenot.htm
> .
> A Dialogue between two shepherds, Thenot and Piers,
> in praise of ASTREA, made by the *EXCELLENT LADY* ,
> the Lady Mary Countess of Pembroke at the Queen's
> Majesty's being at her house at ???, Anno 15???.

So what, Art.

We want to see something from Oxford's
own texts.

> ----------------------------------------------------------http://faculty.g=
oucher.edu/eng=AD211/mary_herbert_6th_edition.h=ADtm

> -----------------------------------------------------------
> John Webster's _The Duchess of Malfi_ Act V Scene II

I've read the Duchess of Malfi and Oxford
did not write it so there's no point in lifting
words from it. If you haven't read it I can
tell you that the author had the same IQ as
the author of the Shakespeare works. It's
an incredible play, some serious work should
be done on it to identify the author.