humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

On Mar 4, 5:16=EF=BF=BDpm, Elizabeth wrote:
> Peter Farey wrote:
> > "lackpurity" wrote:
>
> > Nashe's words are widely if not universally believed to
> > be referring to Thomas Kyd, a playwright known to be born
> > to "the trade of noverint" (scrivener), his father having
> > been warden of the Company of Scriveners.
>
> > Nashe continued:
>
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDBut O grief! *Tempus edax rerum*, what's that will la=
st
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDalways? The sea exhaled by drops will in continuance =
be
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDdry, and Seneca, let blood line by line and page by p=
age,
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDat length must needs die to our stage, which makes hi=
s
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDfamished followers to imitate the kid in Aesop,
>
> > Another clue?
>
> Nashe's empirical satires are so dense with detailed
> allusions, most of them in the coded rhetoric of the
> era (like the Virgilian poets the Elizabethan poets
> had to write sub rosa although none were strangled
> by Elizabeth's bare hands) deconstructing Nashe's
> text is slow going.

MM:
Every think why? Shakespeare must have told them to try and keep the
cult at a low profile. He must have told his followers to write
cryptically, as he.

> I'm working on several posts, in the meantime
> a couple of Victorian critics proved that Nashe
> is alluding to the 'Kidde' in Spenser, not the
> Kyd in Aesop. =EF=BF=BDSince Nashe specifically mentions
> 'Hamlet' and not 'Spanish Tragedy,' Nashe is
> probably alluding to the Old Lad of the Castle
> (McCarthy's 'Old Lad' whom she wrongly thinks
> is Shacksper) who wrote Henry IV. =EF=BF=BDKidde =3D
> Old Lad.

MM:
I'm sorry, but this Anti-Strat substitution trick is not going to
work.

> I'm still looking stuff up, there are further Nashe
> allusions to Our Author in the first part of the
> Dedication to Greene's Menaphon, allusions =EF=BF=BDStrats
> have missed since they're reading for the wrong Author.

MM:
Let's see them, then.

> Of course nothing of what Nashe writes could apply
> to Oxford (have you ever examined the Oxfordian
> case?) because Oxford was fully covered by the
> Scandalum Magnatorum, a fact which essentially
> denies 100 % of the rude, even venomous allusions
> of the Rival Poets that identify 'Shakespeare.'
>
> And it's even worse because Oxford nEVER let
> anyone forget that his 'dignity' was protected by
> statute.
>
> Looney's Oxfordianism is loaded with irony, the VERy
> title that draws the Oxfordians in also constitutes the
> basis for an irrefutable case against Looney.

MM:
All right.

Michael Martin
>
>
>
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDwho, enamoured with the fox's newfangles, forsook all=

> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDhopes of life to leap into a new occupation, and thes=
e
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDmen, renouncing all possibilities of credit or estima=
t-
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDion, to intermeddle with Italian translations...
>
> > Kyd (unlike Nashe) did not go to university, but did go to
> > Merchant Taylor's school, where he learnt both French and
> > Italian, and later used this ability to translate works of
> > both Robert Garnier (his Senecan play *Cornelie*) and
> > Tasso (*Il padre di famiglia*).
>
> > The reference to Hamlet is therefore usually taken to be
> > an earlier version of the play (the 'Ur-Hamlet') written
> > by Kyd. Isabelle Kittson Brown, cited by Elizabeth, is
> > I think very much in the minority on this one.
>
> > Peter F.
> >
> >