humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

On Mar 9, 5:48 pm, Lyra wrote:

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More from the "Latest discoveries" post

in the blog.

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Note, in "8.",

the references to

"lord Burghley"

"Blanch Parry (q.v.), queen Elizabeth's maid of honour."


"William Herbert, earl of Pembroke."

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(quote)

My own view is that Christopher Marlowe is the author
of Shakespeare -
this blog is not about the question of authorship,
however.

It is intended to give the stories of "Shakespeare's visit to Wales",
whoever Shakespeare may be.

(Kit Marlowe, who maybe did not die in 1593 at Deptford,
may have visited Wales, of course, at any time after this.)

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8.

(quote, excerpts)

The first of them recorded at Bredwardine is Watkin Vaughan,
who wrote a letter to
lord Burghley
from there, 17 Dec. 1584.

His wife was Joan, daughter of Miles ap Harry of Newcourt, in the
Golden Valley,
and niece to
Blanch Parry (q.v.), queen Elizabeth's maid of honour.

They had two sons, Harry, heir to Moccas and Bredwardine, and Rowland,
heir of Newcourt.
This Rowland was the author of the remarkable book entitled
Most approved and long experienced waterworkes, 1610,
which contains a long epistle to
William Herbert, earl of Pembroke.

His wife was Elizabeth, daughter of Rowland Vaughan of Porthaml. HARRY
VAUGHAN'S wife was a grand-daughter of Hugh Lewis of Harpton. Their
heir was ROGER VAUGHAN (matriculated at Oxford, 11 May 1604, aged 15),
who rebuilt Bredwardine castle, 1639-40.

His son, HARRY VAUGHAN, m. Frances, daughter of Walter Pye, in 1635.
After his death, she m. Edward Cornewall, of the Stapleton family, and
it was his son who succeeded to Moccas, having purchased Bredwardine
for himself.

http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-VAUG-BRO-1350.html

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9.

Falstaff and Sir John Oldcastle - a link to the Whitney-on-Wye area

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On one of the maps of the area

(Gwernyfed and Tretower),

I saw the place-name

Oldcastle.

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Thinking of

Sir John Oldcastle, I looked for him at Wikipedia,

and discovered this -

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(quote, excerpts)

John Oldcastle

Sir John Oldcastle (d. December 14, 1417), English Lollard leader, was
son of Sir Richard Oldcastle of Almeley in northwest Herefordshire and
grandson of another Sir John Oldcastle.

He was prosecuted for heresy against the Church, and escaped from the
Tower of London, after which he allegedly plotted against his old
friend Henry V. He was captured and executed in London, after which he
became a martyr. He is presumed to be the basis of William
Shakespeare's character Falstaff, whose name in earlier versions of
the play was Oldcastle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Oldcastle

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Here is a map for

Almeley,

showing how very near it is to

Whitney-on-Wye (and Rhydspence) - !

(Whitney is to the south-west)

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3Dalmeley&ie=3DUTF8
&om=3D1&ll=3D52.164219,-2.976007&spn
=3D0.192904,0.466919&z=3D11

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3Dalmeley&ie=3DUTF8
&om=3D1&ll=3D52.164219,-2.976007&spn
=3D0.192904,0.466919&z=3D11&iwloc=3Daddr

from

http://shakespeares-welsh-cave.blogspot.com/2008/03/latest-discoveries.html

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> Latest discoveries of the close family links (including the Herberts,
> Earls of Pembroke)
> in the stories of "Shakespeare in Wales"
>
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>
> The "Latest discoveries" post in the blog
> now has 5 items -
>
> I've added 3 more interesting items today.
>
> They show beyond question the very close links
> of the families of Trebarried, Gwernyfed and Whitney-on-Wye -
>
> (Vaughans, Williams', and Whitneys)
>
> and the Herberts, Earls of Pembroke (and Powys).
>
> ``````````````````````````````````````
>
> (quote)
>
> Latest discoveries ...
>
> 1. The Vaughan family
>
> (quote, excerpts)
>
> The Morgans also give the derivation of the surname Vaughan to
> illustrate the influence of English customs on a family located in a
> bilingual border area.
>
> "The first great Vaughan family is located in Bredwardine, Hereford.
> The name of this family has its origins in the Welsh epithet Fychan ,
> attached to the name of Rhosier .... who was killed protecting the
> body of Henry V at the battle of Agincourt in 1415. This Rhosier's
> father was Rhosier, therefore the father had to be Rhosier Hen 'the
> Old' and the son Rhosier Fychan, i.e. 'Young Roger'. Rhosier's sons
> (not all) are called Fychan or Vaughan, and it is fairly clear that
> Vaughan in this generation had become the surname."
> The first known member of this Cardiganshire family to bear the name
> was Llywelyn Fychan, born around the year 1250).
>
> "Welsh Surnames" by T.J. Morgan and Prys Morgan. (University of Wales
> Press, 1985, ISBN 0-7083-0936-4).
>
> http://www.data-wales.co.uk/names.htm
>
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>
> 2. The Williams family
>
> Henry WILLIAMS
>
> Birth: Abt 1570
> Of Gwernevet, Breconshire, Wales
>
> Death: 21 Oct 1636
> Gwernevet, Breconshire, Wales
> Burial:
> Breconshire, Wales
>
> Father: David WILLIAMS
> Mother:
>
> m. Eleanor WHITNEY
> Marriage: Bef 1607
>
> ..........................................................................=
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>
> David WILLIAMS
>
> Birth: Abt. 1544
> Of Gwernevet, Breconshire, Wales
>
> Death: 22 Jan 1612/1613
>
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>
> 3. The Vaughan family, and their link to the Whitneys of Whitney.
>
> (quote, excerpts)
>
> The best known of the line was Sir Roger Vaughan, of Bredwardine,
> Herefordshire, who fell in the battle of Agincourt, and was, like his
> neighbour
> and father-in-law, Sir david Gam, vainly knighted by Henry V. while
> dying on the field.
>
> The house of the Vaughans,
> now a farmhouse in the village of Tre-twr,
> is generally overlooked by searchers after the antiquarian and
> picturesque.
> Leland calls it "the faire place of Henry Vehan, Esq."
>
> Vaughans of Trebarried.
>
> The Vaughans of Trebarried were a branch of those of Tre'rtwr
> (Tretower), deriving as Vaughans from "Roger Vaughan of Talgarth," and
> son,
>
> according to the St. Mark's Coll. MS., of Sir Roger of Tre'rtwr, son
> of the first knight (of Agincourt)
> of that name.
>
> Maternally they were derived from a Norman line, the mother of the
> first Vaughan (Roger)
> of Trebarried
> being dau. and co-heiress of Robert Whitney, Esq.,
> commonly called Lord Whitney,
> and back in direct line to "Roger de Montgomery, Earl of Belesmo" in
> Normandy,
> who "came into England with William the Conqueror," and so on, as
> usual.
>
> from
>
> Annals and Antiquities of the Counties and County Families of Wales
>
> Old families of British origin.
>
> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3DM34ystsNDn8C&pg=3DPA95&lpg=3DPA95
> &dq=3Dvaughan+trebarried+whitney&source=3Dweb&ots=3DI5zSVQyY8h&sig=3DSFAN
> aPe95vvHKu-ZhPaX2gvqfZg&hl=3Den
>
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>
> 4.
>
> One of the links of the Vaughans and Herberts.
>
> (quote, excerpts)
>
> VAUGHAN family, of Hergest , Kington , Herefords.
>
> The first of the Vaughans to reside here was THOMAS AP ROGER VAUGHAN,
> son of Roger Vaughan of Bredwardine, who was killed at Agincourt (see
> Vaughan family of Bredwardine). His mother was Gwladys, daughter of
> Dafydd Gam (q.v.).
>
> He was, therefore, a full brother of Watkin Vaughan of Bredwardine,
> and Sir Roger Vaughan of Tretower (see Vaughan family of Tretower),
>
> and a uterine brother of Sir William Herbert, earl of Pembroke (q.v.),
> and of Sir Richard Herbert.
>
> http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-VAUG-HER-1400.html
>
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>
> 5. More Whitney family tree.
>
> (quote)
>
> Archive:Limbus Patrum Morganiae
>
> From WRG
>
> G. T. CLARK, Limbus patrum Morgani=A9=A1 et Glamorgani=A9=A1 (London: Wyma=
n &
> Sons, 1886).
>
> Index: 0 Touchet; 1 Whitney (only), Eustace, p. 248
>
> pp. 241
>
> "XV. Sir ROGER VAUGHAN of Parthaml in Talgarth, M.P. for
> Brecknockshire 1547, 1662, 54, 1558. Knighted about 1550.
>
> Second son of Sir Roger of Tretower and Denise Vaughan.
>
> He had a grant of Bronllys Castle.
>
> He m. 1st Eleanor, eldest d. of Henry Somerset, Earl of Worcester, and
> sister of Lady Mansel;
>
> and 2nd Jane, d. of Robert ap (son of) Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney
> by Constance Touchet, his second wife,
>
> with whom Sir Roger had lands in Talgarth (this is unclear - did
> Robert ap Sir Robert m. 2nd Constance Touchet and hold lands or was it
> actually (as stated) Sir Roger?).
>
> They had: 1. Watkin. 2. Thomas of Tregunter, m. Elizabeth, d. of Harry
> Miles of Poston. They had William Vaughan father of (a) William
>
> (b) Sybil, m. William ap Harry (from Vaughan of Porthaml) of
> Trebarried;
>
> William was father Hugh Vaughan of Trebarried, living 1623.
>
> 3. Henry Vaughan of Bronllys.
> 4. Elizabeth, m. Thomas Morgan of Machen.
> 5. a dau., m. Jenkin ap Tomas Prosser of Aberllyfni.
> 6. Eleanor, m. 1st Howel of Argoed, called also Howel ap Gwilim Powel
> of Brecon. His first wife was Margaret d. of William ap John Havard,
> by whom he had Thomas Powel,
>
> who m. Sybil, d. of Sir William Vaughan, Kt.
>
> Eleanor m. 2nd Thomas ap Rytherch of Lliwell.
>
> 7. Joan, m. William Morgan of the Friars, Newport.
>
> He (Sir Roger Vaughan) had also of base children: 8. Robert Vaughan of
> Bronllys. 9. Robert Vaughan of Tregunter. 10. Thomas Vaughan of
> Trepicca. 11. a dau., m. Thomas ap Robert of Maesglas."
>
> pp. 248.
>
> sub VAUGHAN - unplaced entries.
>
> "Eustace Whitney of Whitney m. Margaret, d. and co-h. of William
> Vaughan of Glasbury, and had SIR ROBERT WHITNEY of Whitney, and
> others."
>
> http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Archive:Limbus_Patrum_Morganiae
>
> Blog Archive
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> * =A1=E5 2008 (12)
> o =A1=E5 March (12)
> + Shakespeare's Welsh cave ... and more ...
> + Did Shakespeare write "A Midsummer Night's
> Dream" ...
> + A summing up (for those without time to read the
> r...
> + First thoughts on the BBC ideas from Powys
> + Gwernyfed
> + Rhydspence inn, Whitney on Wye
> + Shakespeare's Caves
> + Trebarried in Wales
> + Vaughan of Golden Grove
> + Vaughan Whitney marriage
> + Williams of Gwernyfed
> + Latest discoveries ...
>
> http://shakespeares-welsh-cave.blogspot.com/2008/03/latest-discoverie...
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> > The interesting stories that may tell of a visit to Wales
> > may be read at the blog
> >http://shakespeares-welsh-cave.blogspot.com/2008/03/shakespeares-wels...
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