humanities.philosophy.objectivism

On Mar 30, 7:56 pm, Fred Weiss wrote:

> That it is a Jewish state only pertains to the open door policy Israel
> maintains toward all Jews of any national or other background.

So then you have no problem if America institutes the exact same
policy? It too can change the constitution to maintain an open door
policy so any christians around the world who feel persecuted. The
"Christian National Fund" will also be established were non-Christians
are not permitted to purchase public land. Any non-christian natives
will be "discouraged" from staying.

> The Palestinians of course also wouldn't so crave to go to Israel if
> it weren't for the prosperity which the Jews have created

You think the 85 billion dollars from US taxpayers helped at all?
(1/4 of US foreign aid over 50 years.... for less than 10 million
people and not including the trillion or so dollars spent after 9/11
to fight Israel's enemies?) Where are your objectivist objections for
that funding? (to a first world nation no less)

>>>"But they chose instead to wallow in their victimhood and passively
>>>accept their impoverishment. For that they have only themselves to blame."

Your complaining about them claiming victimhood when in the same
post you also say " Yes, Israel is officially a "Jewish" state but
there is a particular historical context for that which of course you
are totally dropping. It suggests a total ignorance of Jewish history
and the constant persecution they have endured over the centuries,
culminating in the mass slaughter of the Holocaust."

Who exactly has the persecution complex again?

The holocaust (tm) was a terrible thing but lets not forget the other
80 million dead OK? You are arguing the equivalent of a man caught
diddling children that goes into a court and says "Your worship. My
grandfather was molested, my great grandfather was molested, My great
grandfather was molested. Its only fair I should have a right to
molest"

Are you or aren't you an atheist? THERE IS NO MYSTIC CURSE!! THERE IS
NO MYSTIC CURSE!! THERE IS NO MYSTIC CURSE!!

You call in "persecution"... I call it "war". You think Greeks
haven't been "persecuted" in 5000 years? Haven't they been victims in
history? Sorry to interfere with your eternal suffering monopoly
(especially ironic considering this is a golden age for Jewish people)
but last I checked Greece was occupied by the Turks for 400 years, the
Nazis invaded, the communists triggered a civil war, and heck lets
throw in the CIA deciding to setup a military dictatorship in the 70s
(as if a dictatorship was a looming threat in the birthplace of
democracy).

And aren't millions of Africans currently suffering from various
forms of oppression? And aren't there countries all over the world
where there is real suffering?

Here is a reality check. I AM NOT A VICTIM AND NEITHER ARE YOU.
You live in a prosperous country and are free to do pretty well
whatever you want when you want. (ditto for me). The Palis on the
other hand are the one's having their property stolen, their rights
abused, and their children killed to subsidize a decades long invasion
over voodoo scripture.

And when they fight back (using similar methods to what was
initially used on them)...... and Israel's neighbours become hostile
to the colonialists threatening them with nuclear weapons.....and
American subsidizes that occupation... some of the invaders claim
persecution and start talking about nuking hundreds of millions of
Arabs. (a GENOCIDE that would make Hitler look like Saint).

*cough* *cough* *never** *again* cough* *cough*?

The interesting thing about you Fred is you are a former communist
so you appear capable of admitting a major mistake (a great positive
in my book). I have an ego the size of Texaas but it didn't stop me
from making some major doozies myself. What I like to think I learned
from the experience is man is imperfect. The Muslim countries are
backwards and are a threat at the moment... but the reason for that
that situation isn't entirely their fault.