humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

On Apr 9, 8:39=EF=BF=BDam, nordicskiv2 wrote:
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> =EF=BF=BDlackpurity wrote:
> > On Apr 8, 11:46?pm, John W Kennedy wrote:
> > > nordicskiv2 wrote:
> > > > ? ?Lacksanity may be relying upon the Catholic concept of invincible=

> > > > ignorance. ?If so, surely nobody is better qualified to avail himsel=
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> > > > of that plea.
> > > 'Francesco venne poi com'io fu' morto,
> > > ? ?per me; ma un d'i neri cherubini
> > > ? ?li disse: "Non portar: non mi far torto.
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> > > Venir se ne dee giu` tra ' miei meschini
> > > ? ?perche' diede 'l consiglio frodolente,
> > > ? ?dal quale in qua stato li sono a' crini;
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> > > ch'assolver non si puo` chi non si pente,
> > > ? ?ne' pentere e volere insieme puossi
> > > ? ?per la contradizion che nol consente".
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> > > Oh me dolente! come mi riscossi
> > > ? ?quando mi prese dicendomi: "Forse
> > > ? ?tu non pensavi ch'io loico fossi!".'
> > MM:
> > What kind of game is Kennedy playing?
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> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDGame?! =EF=BF=BDThis is no game. =EF=BF=BDThis is serio=
us -- this concerns Lucifer,
> about whom I thought you claimed to know a little something.

MM:
I think he is stuck in RETICENCE. Maybe it's a new game for
children? I don't know.

> > I tried the Babelfish
> > translator,
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> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDWhat?! =EF=BF=BDYou mean to say that you claim to be an=
expert on Satan,
> yet you did not even recognize a familiar quotation from Dante's
> _Inferno_?! =EF=BF=BD

MM:
I might recognize Dante in English, but not in Italian. I hope you
will forgive me for that. I'm not used to these kind of games. LOL

(What language did you try -- Klingon?) =EF=BF=BD

MM:
Italian.

Unlike you,
> Dante was certainly a great Master. =EF=BF=BD

MM:
Your miniscule knowledge of my spirituality is immaterial and
irrelevant. How much would an ant know about a human, for example?

John is quoting the section in
> which Dante as narrator, in his tour of the eighth circle of Hell,
> meets Guido da Montefeltro, who recounts how he was misled by Boniface
> VIII -- the latter had promised Guido absolution for the sin of
> advising him in how to destroy an adversary -- and thereby fell into
> perdition. =EF=BF=BDA very rough translation would be the following:
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> "Afterwards, when I was dead, St. Francis came for my soul,
> [Guido da Montefeltro became a Franciscan monk late in life]
> but one of the black angels [i.e., devils] said to him,
> 'Don't take him -- don't wrong me.
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> " 'He must join my wretched souls
> because he gave fraudulent counsel,
> since which time he has been damned.
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> " 'For he who does not repent cannot be absolved:
> one cannot both repent and will at the same time,
> Because of the contradiction which does not give consent.'
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> "O miserable me! =EF=BF=BDHow I trembled
> when he took me, saying: 'Perhaps
> you didn't realize that I was a logician.' "
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> > but still couldn't understand it.
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> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDIf you not only did not understand, but did not even *r=
ecognize*
> such an important passage in the literature concerning demonology,
> then you know *nothing* about Satan.

MM:
Satan can't even be put into books. This shows how much mystic
knowledge you have. Satan is a ruler of principalities, according to
the Bible, and it is correct. Your reference is in regards to Hell.
That would be like saying Pres. Bush rules over Huntsville Prison. It
indicates the ignorance of you and JWK. I rest my case.

When it comes to mysticism, all the so-called intellectuals in HLAS
are more like children. You could also say that they are groping in
the dark.

Michael Martin
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