humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

On Mar 6, 10:17=C2=A0pm, lackpurity wrote:
> On Mar 6, 1:10=EF=BF=BDpm, Elizabeth wrote:
>
> > On Mar 6, 10:28=EF=BF=BDam, lackpurity wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 5, 1:07 pm, Dennis wrote:
>
> > > > An idolatrous poetry infects the fancy and pleases the eye. (Gilman)=

>
> > Regardless of what they thought of him, those
> > seeking patronage could write ONLY idolatrous
> > poetry to Oxford.
>
> MM:
> Because he was an Earl, Elizabeth? =C2=A0I won't hold it against him, if h=
e
> played the part of an Earl.

You're misunderstanding my intent.

I DON'T hold it against Oxford for being an
earl. I've read feudal history, humans will
do what they have to do according to the
times. Europe was then not a confederation
of nation states with stable parliaments and
defensive armies.

Here's Hedingham under attack by a seige
machine:

castle_history_drawing.jpg>

That contraption on the left side would be
rolled foward right up to a opening in the
castle walls and the enemy would scramble
through into the castle. The usual defense
was boiling hot oatmeal.
>
> > > MM:
> > > This is typical of the Masters. =EF=BF=BDIf we show signs of repentanc=
e, then
> > > we get the forgiveness of the Master, not just for one or two sins,
> > > but all our sins ultimately. =EF=BF=BDWe have been sinning for countle=
ss ages,
> > > so we are talking billions, maybe trillions of sins.
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Pull yourself together.
>
> > This is about the Scandalum Magnorum which
> > CATEGORICALLY excludes Oxford.
>
> MM:
> Elizabeth, I reread my post, and I think it was about the character of
> Sir Philip Sidney. =C2=A0Apparently, he was inclined to forgive, if he saw=

> signs of repentance.

Sidney is Hamlet. When we read Hamlet or see
it staged, we're looking at Philip Sidney, insecure
about his place as a presumptive heir, often
depressed, his father may have been murdered
but it's interesting that Sir Henry Sidney died
exactly fifty-two days before Sidney as (likely)
poisoned while King Hamlet dies exactly fifty-
two days before Hamlet is poisoned and stabbed.

One of the most interesting things is that the
first date we hear of Hamlet was just following
Sydney's death in 1586.

1. Sidney dies.

2. Hamlet is written.

3. Nashe satirizes the author of Hamlet in
the Dedication to Greene's Menaphon.
>
> I've been following what you've written about Scandalum Magnorum, and
> I don't have a problem with that. =C2=A0What you write sounds reasonable t=
o
> me.

It is reasonable and we know that it enabled
Oxford to file a criminal charge atainst Prof.
Gabriel Harvey. Harvey would not have been
put in the Fleet for a civil matter.

> > Our only evidence of Shakespeare authorship
> > (other than Bacon's manuscripts and works) comes
> > from the Rival Poets who are literally
>
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD BASHING
>
> > Our Poet.
>
> MM:
> Spenser, Jonson, Greville, Nashe, and others were supporters of him,
> Elizabeth. =C2=A0

Nashe both offended Our Poet (who cannot
be Oxford) and defended him. Nashe is the
most qualified authorship candidate after
Our Poet and it's likely that Nashe contributed
some additional lines to the earlier Shakespeare
plays. One way or another Nashe knows.

> William Shakespeare of Stratford had his supporters, and
> he had his enemies, as do all Saints. =C2=A0

I have the advantage of 1) reading Fripp who, as
a Life Member of the Strat Trust, had seen it all
and 2) I have read many of these records for myself.
You could read them too but Stanley Wells snatched
them off the RSC website the minute he became the
Chairman of its Board. Youre 'Saint' was anything
but a saint.

> Why do you want to focus on
> only his enemies? =C2=A0That is not very fair to him, Elizabeth.

That's the way things lined up. As far
as we can detect, Oxford had no real friends,
he tended to hang out with the two Howards
who always got him into trouble (and nearly
got him executed), Arundel and Suffolk. The
Queen, his leige lord, was supposed to look
out for Oxford, she was a piss poor leige lord.


> > None of that, under CRIMINAL LAW, can have
> > applied to Oxford. The Rival Poets couldn't say
>
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDPEEP
>
> > about Oxford.
>
> MM:
> Okay, I'll take your word for it, as I'm no expert on it.
>
> > His title, his 'dignity' was protected from slander
> > by both civil and criminal law (both incorporated
> > into the Scandalum Magnorum, the lower classes
> > had to resort to civil law to address slander against
> > them) which protected
>
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD ONLY NOBLES
>
> > and those holding high office.
>
> > Looney didn't know shit, pardon the expression,
> > about the feudal history that produced Oxford.
>
> MM:
> I'm following you.

Thanks for the reply.