humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

On Mar 6, 1:10=EF=BF=BDpm, Elizabeth wrote:
> On Mar 6, 10:28=EF=BF=BDam, lackpurity wrote:
>
> > On Mar 5, 1:07 pm, Dennis wrote:
>
> > > An idolatrous poetry infects the fancy and pleases the eye. (Gilman)
>
> Regardless of what they thought of him, those
> seeking patronage could write ONLY idolatrous
> poetry to Oxford.

MM:
Because he was an Earl, Elizabeth? I won't hold it against him, if he
played the part of an Earl.

> > MM:
> > This is typical of the Masters. =EF=BF=BDIf we show signs of repentance,=
then
> > we get the forgiveness of the Master, not just for one or two sins,
> > but all our sins ultimately. =EF=BF=BDWe have been sinning for countless=
ages,
> > so we are talking billions, maybe trillions of sins.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> Pull yourself together.
>
> This is about the Scandalum Magnorum which
> CATEGORICALLY excludes Oxford.

MM:
Elizabeth, I reread my post, and I think it was about the character of
Sir Philip Sidney. Apparently, he was inclined to forgive, if he saw
signs of repentance.

I've been following what you've written about Scandalum Magnorum, and
I don't have a problem with that. What you write sounds reasonable to
me.

> Our only evidence of Shakespeare authorship
> (other than Bacon's manuscripts and works) comes
> from the Rival Poets who are literally
>
> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=
=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD BASHING
>
> Our Poet.

MM:
Spenser, Jonson, Greville, Nashe, and others were supporters of him,
Elizabeth. William Shakespeare of Stratford had his supporters, and
he had his enemies, as do all Saints. Why do you want to focus on
only his enemies? That is not very fair to him, Elizabeth.

> None of that, under CRIMINAL LAW, can have
> applied to Oxford. The Rival Poets couldn't say
>
> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=
=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDPEEP
>
> about Oxford.

MM:
Okay, I'll take your word for it, as I'm no expert on it.

> His title, his 'dignity' was protected from slander
> by both civil and criminal law (both incorporated
> into the Scandalum Magnorum, the lower classes
> had to resort to civil law to address slander against
> them) which protected
>
> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=
=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD ONLY NOBLES
>
> and those holding high office.
>
> Looney didn't know shit, pardon the expression,
> about the feudal history that produced Oxford.

MM:
I'm following you.

Michael Martin