humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare

On Feb 26, 4:42=A0pm, Elizabeth wrote:
> On Feb 26, 1:04 pm, Tom Reedy wrote:
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> > On Feb 26, 2:27 pm, Elizabeth wrote:
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> > > On Feb 25, 12:51 pm, "Ms. Mouse" wrote:
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> > > > On Feb 25, 3:35 pm, Tom Reedy wrote:
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> > > > > The Shakespeare-Oxford Society (http://www.shakespeare-oxford.com/=
) is
> > > > > apparently so full of morons they can't even find a member literat=
e
> > > > > enough to edit their own "journal," The Oxfordian. Instead, they'v=
e
> > > > > chosen Dr. Michael Egan to do the job and take Stephanie Hughes' p=
lace
> > > > > (can anyone *really* replace Stephanie Hughes?).
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> > > > > Egan, who I suppose would be termed a quasi-Oxfordian by Crowley, =
was
> > > > > lionized by Oxfordians on the Fellowship boards last year for his =
not-
> > > > > very-original theory that Thomas of Woodstock was written by
> > > > > Shakespeare. (Seehttp://www.shakespearefellowship.org/Reviews/jime=
nez.woodstock.htm).
> > > > > He is Scholar in Residence at Brigham Young University, Hawaii.
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> > > > > Question: is this an upward academic move for someone from Brigham=

> > > > > Young University? If Egan is *not* an Oxfordian, can they still cl=
aim
> > > > > to be a peer-reviewed journal?
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> > > > > Enquiring minds want to know!
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> > > > > TR
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> > > > Egan is neither an Oxfordian nor a Quasi-Oxfordian. He is a
> > > > Stratfordian who believes that "Shakespeare is Shakespeare."
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> > > Puleeez. =A0There are a lot of cross-overs
> > > out there.
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> > > I have detected even a few Baconians.
> > > Vickers =A0wrote a book on Bacon's science,
> > > then spent x number of years editing the
> > > monumental book that essentially attacks
> > > Strats (not modern Strats) for destroying
> > > Bacon. =A0Vickers must see what I see,
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> > No, Vickers sees what is actually there.
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> If you haven't read the book, which is
> a thousand page attack on the Strats
> for destroying Bacon, you can't know
> what I mean.

Brian Vickers has written four books that I know of concerning Bacon.
None of them are 1,000 pages. Perhaps you have read one that I am
unaware of.

TR

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> I don't want to get into a battle with you,
> Reedy, because we are on the same side
> in the question of whether A True Repertory
> is vital to the authorship of The Tempest.
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> We haven't even touched on all the parallel
> incidents, scenes and characters (factually
> situated in history) in The Tempest that cate-
> gorically refute the Oxfordian claim that Oxford
> (had he a fast pc and a password to the EEBO)
> could have gotten everything he needed from
> early Spanish travel narratives.
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> > > that
> > > Bacon's science went by the by with his
> > > reputation.
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> > > Viper? =A0Bacon was a bashful
> > > recluse who dedicated his life to fulfilling
> > > his father's policies. =A0It was agony for him
> > > to be at Court but England would have gone
> > > on the rocks without him and in fact did
> > > as soon as he died.
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> > > Vickers is like Bacon. =A0Bacon had to practice
> > > dissimulation for the benefit of England, he's
> > > been called 'England's greatest patriot.' It's
> > > not easy to move from feudalism to modernism
> > > in a couple of generations, I hate to think what
> > > kind of Rome Part II the British Empire would
> > > have been without the popularity of Bacon before
> > > the Victorian onslaught. =A0A lot of the civil
> > > policies of the Empire were derived from Bacon
> > > not to speak of good practices such as the
> > > fact that the Empire set aside natural preserves
> > > (a minimum 10%) in each colony thanks to
> > > Bacon's study of the Royal Preserves in
> > > England.
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> > > I could go on for a lifetime just posting
> > > on what Bacon has done for humanity but
> > > I'll give you a break.
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> > > It's good to find you in good humor, I also
> > > crack up in HLAS. =A0It really is fun.
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> > It is amazing to me that you compulsively post your lunatic Bacon bits
> > while at the same time remonstrating with Art for posting his lunacy.
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> Some philosophical systems, say the
> British Empiricists, whom I associate with
> the Stratfordians, have at least some
> common sense because they have a
> DOCUMENTED life and they insist on
> seeing EVIDENCE.
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> Looney got caught up in the Continental
> Idealist movement which backwashed into
> Victorian England after the Von Schlegels
> translated Shakespeare, a traumatic
> event in German cultural history because it
> suggested that the English were racially
> superior. The British Empire did nothing to
> discourage that view (C. Kahn).
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> The secret of the Authorship dispute, Reedy,
> is that the Oxfordians are STUCK with
> idealism.
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> Hiring Michael Egan will make no difference.
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> Idealism made their 'author,' some Vickers
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