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"George Graves" wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:52:18 -0700, Hasta La Vista wrote
> (in article ):
>
>>
>> "George Graves" wrote in message
>> news:0001HW.C42797BB00067930F01846D8@news.comcast.net...
>>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 07:49:37 -0700, Hasta La Vista wrote
>>> (in article ):
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "George Graves" wrote in message
>>>> news:0001HW.C426501A0008C969F01846D8@news.comcast.net...
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:04:43 -0700, Hasta La Vista wrote
>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:qhc0041l62v65pvpf1msokinmb1u4r74s2@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:42:45 +0200, Sandman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <5eavv39f8r5ddgk8aq705enoj9oheuur6c@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>> Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT), Dave Fritzinger
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Interesting article in Business Week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2008/tc20080410_206
>>>>>>>>>> 88
>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>>>> htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The 20-year death grip that Microsoft has held on the core of
>>>>>>>>>> computing is finally weakening--pried loose with just two
>>>>>>>>>> fingers.
>>>>>>>>>> With
>>>>>>>>>> one finger you press "Control" and with the other you press
>>>>>>>>>> "right
>>>>>>>>>> arrow." Instantly you switch from a Macintosh operating system
>>>>>>>>>> (OS)
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> a Microsoft Windows OS. Then, with another two-finger press, you
>>>>>>>>>> switch back again. So as you edit family pictures, you might use
>>>>>>>>>> Mac's
>>>>>>>>>> iPhoto. And when you want to access your corporate e-mail, you
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> switch back instantly to Microsoft Exchange."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been saying for months that Apple is missing a Golden
>>>>>>>>> Opportunity
>>>>>>>>> by not making the fact that any OS can run on Macs the centerpiece
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> an ad campaign. It might not sit well with the Mac Faithful but it
>>>>>>>>> would certainly make a lot of other people take a second look at
>>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>>> HW.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Get a Mac ads have mentioned this on several occasions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its been mentioned in passing but I'm talking about launching a
>>>>>>> campaign that has that point as its centerpiece.
>>>>>>> Of course it would require Apple ads to actually promote Apple
>>>>>>> products instead of taking cheapshots at Microsoft based on
>>>>>>> half-truths and outright lies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If running Windows becomes the center point of Apple's ad campaign,
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> they convince people to pay more for hardware to run Windows?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You won't convince them. The fact that a Mac CAN run Windows doesn't
>>>>> mean
>>>>> that most do. In fact, most don't.
>>>>
>>>> How do you know how many Macs are running Windows?
>>>
>>> I know lots of Mac users. There is a such thing as sampling, you know.
>>> After
>>> all, Nielsen ratings work that way.
>>
>> So the real answer is you have no idea how many Mac users are running
>> Windows. You live in a world of your own making and you don't look past
>> it.
>
> No that's YOUR answer, the one you want.

I gave no answer about what I want. I only remarked on what the article
said.

> Mac users don't want Windows. That's
> why They're Mac users and not PC users. Most of us made that decision
> ages
> ago.

The article quoted in this thread disagrees with you.

>>>>> You pay a bit more for hardware (in some
>>>>> cases) from Apple to run OSX.
>>>>
>>>> In my case I found Apple's prices to be double for what I paid for my
>>>> PC,
>>>> for less hardware than I got.
>>>
>>> So you can buy a PC and get MORE of LESS. Big deal. I can buy 50 Double
>>> Cheeseburgers from MacDonalds or one good steak from Ruth's Chris for
>>> $50.
>>> I
>>> don't have to tell you which I consider a better way to spend my $50.
>>> More
>>> of
>>> less is never as appealing as less of more.
>>
>> I bought a PC and got more of what Apple includes, not less, for half of
>> Apple's price.
>
> No, you got more of less.

No, I got more of the same or better.

>> I got two good steaks from Ruth's Chris for $25 instead of half a steak
>> for
>> $50 from Apple.
>
> Nope Rith's Chris doesn't sell two steaks for $25.

You retreated from your own analogy into literalism.

> You got more of less
> because Windows is less, a lot less!

No, I got more of the same or better hardware for half of Apple's price.
Nobody here has given a reason why I should pay so much more to have OSX
instead of Windows.

>>>>> If you want to (or have to) run Windows, buy a
>>>>> Windows box and skip the Mac.
>>>>
>>>> Most of the world seems to have taken your advice. :-D
>>>
>>> And that's just fine. Apple doesn't need for the whole world to buy
>>> Macs.
>>> They do just fine where they are. Apple is a premium brand and I suspect
>>> that
>>> they'll stay that way. After all, it works for them.
>>
>> Why is it you don't tell this to all the people who are saying Mac market
>> share is going up like a skyrocket?
>
> It is increasing. But it will never be 10% of the world's market and I
> sincerely hope that doesn't change.

You want your cult to be limited to only True Believers?

>>> You Winscum
>>
>> Winscum? You have a name for those damned by your cult?
>
> I have no cult.

Sure you do.

> But a Winscum is a Windows lover who comes to this NG to
> denigrate the Mac.

When have I either professed love of Windows or denigrated the Mac? Apple
doesn't even make Macs any more.

>>> seem to
>>> think only in terms of market share,
>>
>> In spite of me telling you my choice was guided by how much more I got
>> for
>> my money? Little of what you say seems to have any real relation to
>> actual
>> people, places or things.
>
> Your overall tenor belies your words.

IOW, you have no real reason for what you say.

>>> a very narrow view of any market, if you
>>> don't mind me saying so. There are lots of companies making premium
>>> products
>>> whose market share is tiny when viewed against the mainstream, but
>>> Bentley,
>>> Rolls Royce, Breitling, Rolex, Vacuum Tube Logic, Martin Logan, MV
>>> Agusta,
>>> Armeria Tucci, E.J. Chutchill, etc., do very well in their respective
>>> niches,
>>> thank you.
>>
>> What has that got to do with Apple? They only sell PCs like you can buy
>> from any other PC maker, except they charge you more for less.
>
> That's why you do not understand the Mac market and you never will.
> Calling a
> Macintosh "just a PC" is like calling a Brietling "just a watch".

I never called a Macintosh "just a PC." I called the computers Apple
makes now just another PC, like you can buy from any other PC maker.

>>> The fact that one can get MUCH cheaper cars, watches, amplifiers,
>>> speakers, motorcycles, and shotguns, or that some people will say that
>>> one
>>> gets more for their money buying cheaper, more mass produced, similar
>>> items
>>> doesn't lessen the appeal of these premium brands to those who value
>>> them.
>>
>> More mass produced? Apple PCs are no less mass produced than any other
>> PC.
>> It takes more than a premium price to make a premium product.
>
> As I said, like most of the Winscum who post here, you are incapable of
> "getting it". You might as well stop trying.

Take your meds, George.